That whole thing struck me as weird. I get why Marina might not like Natalia much right now after she left Frank at the alter, but yelling at her for calling
Frank to check up on Rafe? That seemed pretty bold, not to mention harsh. I can't see where Natalia is taking advantage of Frank when Frank was the one
to volunteer to be Rafe's mentor and Rafe and Frank both made the decision to live together. Natalia doesn't even want that, she wants Rafe at home
with her. So I don't get Marina's reaction about that, and I also thought that her comments about Natalia not taking control of her life were very
random. I don't know if she is right or wrong about it, but the comments just seemed to come out of nowhere for me. Maybe I don't feel like Marina
knows Natalia well enough to be analyzing her on that level, I don't know. Or maybe I just thought Marina came off like a witch in that scene no matter
what she said. LOL. What did everyone else think?
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Posts: 8337 (06/19/09 14:27:01) |
I agree with your analysis of Marina's behaviour in that scene. 'Random' is really right on about her comments on Natalia 'not taking
control' of her life! Heaven knows that I am no Natalia fan, but I guess I have more reasons to dislike Marina's behaviour than that
Marina, the Kewpie Doll who had to have her own baby to play with, Marina the dolt, hurling insults at Natalia in this context was pretty bizarre.
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Posts: 126 (06/19/09 15:33:05) |
I was disappointred Frank didn't tell her to take a long walk off a short pier! That little girl is riding way too high and its gonna be a painful fall
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Posts: 1743 (06/19/09 16:18:35) |
Ditto Malar, I am not a Natalia fan but I found Marina's behaviour towards her to be incredibly unfair! And yeah, Marina does seem to be riding high right
now. I did not at all care for her attitude towards Shane when she found out that he is Henry's father, and you can just see all of this coming back to
bite her soon.
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Posts: 8339 (06/19/09 16:33:18) |
I did not at all care for her attitude towards Shane when she found out that he is Henry's father,That was so bizarre! It was so weird to see this monster of a Marina and connect her up with who she was in her previous incarnation, in love with Shayne and being very good to him! and you can just see all of this coming back to bite her soon.I really hope that the show makes it happen within the next three months, unless we are all lucky enough to have the show continue elsewhere besides CBS! Also, it is very nice talking to you, Kelly - it has been a while 
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Posts: 295 (06/19/09 18:52:06) |
I don't necessarily agree with Marina's tactics with either situation (Shayne and Natalia) but I CAN see where she's coming from. She IS afraid of
losing Henry (and with all she's lost - I personally don't blame her). However, she needs to remember the person Shayne is and remember he's not
out to hurt her. However, even though I can understand her concerns about losing Henry but - she should have definitely approached the situation much more
calmly. At the very least, she should have said, "I can't do this right now.", walked away, calmed down and then go talk to Shayne at a later
time.
As far as Natalia goes - I believe Marina has a small point. Even though Frank wants to be there for Rafe, it can still be easy for Natalia to take advantage of him. I think it's debatable whether she has in SOME ways (I don't think she has completely overstepped any boundries in that area). I do think Marina needs to remember that Natalia is just looking after her son but I DO think Marina was in her rights to *remind* Natalia to not take advantage of Frank (because that can be a slippery slope). Like I said though, I think Marina could have been a little more calm and understanding. The women (and men) of Springfield protect the ones they love and they all tend to go over board. Then again, we do that as well here in the real world.:-) |
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Posts: 29 (06/19/09 20:00:46) |
Lately, I have really disliked Marina's character a lot. I was getting so angry when she was making those comments about Natalia, and I, too, am no Natalia fan. She has come across in the past, in my opinion, to have compassion with the people she associates with. Lately, I have noticed it has been only about Marina. I feel she only seems to be caring about herself and not caring about the feeling and emotions of others. Mallet and Marina have unfortunately become my least favorite couple to watch. They seem to have changed lately. Maybe with Danny coming back.... I would like to see Marina and Danny at least have some scenes together. I enjoyed them as a couple. |
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Posts: 1745 (06/19/09 20:40:27) |
Malar, thanks! It is nice talking to you too! Your posts always keep me on my toes.
I see where Marina is coming from in both situations, at least the very root of what she must be feeling, but she just overreacts so hugely that it is hard to care! Maybe it was just disconcerting to see her be so blunt with Natalia, who is not a particularly blunt person herself. Of course I have not thought of Marina as being so confrontational either, but she does seem to be losing it lately. I just finished watching today's show and there was was yelling at Shayne again and telling him that him showing up at her house "has to stop" because she is paranoid that everything he does is somehow centered on wanting to take the baby away from her!
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Agreed. She is overreacting, and IMO this is making her look more and more guilty of something. And the things she said to Shayne today were just out of line!
(And stupid, she is putting thoughts into his head! Hello!)
She was wrong to bully Natalia. Also, in the long run, you never know, Nat may end up with Frankie, so she should watch her step! LOL! i half expected Olivia to give Marina a piece of her mind today at Towers when she went up to them. I was disappointed! p.s. I agree on 2 points GREAT to hear from DeLight and also, Sad to see that Frankie let Marina get away with that bad behavior!!! Elizabeth |
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Posts: 232 (06/20/09 06:35:33) |
I totally disagree. Marina saw her father left at the altar. Nat has not come out to the world. She needs to tell Marina the whole story. Why she ran, why Rafe
ran and how Frank is just being a mentor to a troubled boy!!!!
Marina watched Nat come to town and pretty much take over Gus etc. I liked Nat at first,Rafe not so much, but he has a reason to be upset. Marina is her fathers daughter, and she has a right to tell Nat enough .You have hurt my father enough.JMO. now Mallet, he is nuts and I would love to see Marina tell him he put Henrys grandmother in jail. But for what Reva did to Lizzie. I never felt sorry for her. She kidnapped etc Lizzie and got completely away with it. 
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Posts: 2796 (06/20/09 07:04:29) |
Marina is living on the edge right now and is getting paranoid of everyone. So many women have abused Frank, why pick on Natalia? He has let this happen to
him over and over. Frank just tries too hard to please everyone and gets walked on instead. It's too bad the show has really never let him have an honest
to goodness love. Marina is so afraid all the time, that she doesn't trust anyone anymore. But of course it was fine for her to come between Danny and
Michelle and Dinah and Mallet. Even though these couples were broken up at the time, they may have reconciled had it not been for her.
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Posts: 296 (06/20/09 09:30:33) |
"So many women have abused Frank, why pick on Natalia?"
Because of the fact that so many women HAVE abused (taken advantage of) Frank. When we see our loved ones constantly being hurt by other people sometimes we let it go, and we let it go, AND we let it go - until one day we just don't "let it go" anymore. We then end up unloading EVERYTHING onto the latest person (in a long line of people) that hurt the one we love. We make the latest person flip the bill for everything that they did AND for all the actions from the others before them. No, it doesn't make it right, but it DOES make sense from an emotional and psychological point of view. Personally, I believe that's what Marina was doing. Btw, Danny and Michelle did reconcile (and thank God left the show. Good actors but their characters got on my nerves after a while. Not to mention I couldn't take how Michelle started pronouncing "Santos" anymore. She pronounced it with more of a latino accent than Danny did. LOL! Which, IMO was going overboard. Danny pronouncing it with more of a Latino accent would have made sense and would have gone with the character but not for Michelle. She's a girl from Springfield NOT from south of the border.) Enough time has past, though so it will be nice to see them again. NOT THE MOB! Just Danny, Michelle and the kids.:-) |
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Posts: 1747 (06/20/09 10:20:11) |
I am comparing how Marina talked to Natalia with how Buzz talked to Natalia. Both have the same reasons to be angry with her, and actually the same history of
watching Frank get hurt. Buzz even has the guilty conscience of having hurt Frank himself. However, he didn't go up to Natalia and start ranting and making
off the wall judgments about how she lives her life. He was straightforward with her, but tactful. He didn't make it about judging her as a person, but
specifically about what she had done to disappoint him. If you have to tell someone off, that is a great way to do it. Buzz did it with class, Marina did not.
Of course Buzz is much older and wiser than Marina, but she could learn from him. I really don't disagree that Marina has every right to be angry with
Natalia and that she has some complicated emotions going on right now, but the way she acted took me by surprise. You can be angry with someone, but it
doesn't give you the right to make such sweeping intimate criticisms, and in such a disrespectful manner. JMO, but Marina could have made her point much
more effectively and really put Natalia to shame had she not approached it with such arrogance.
Oh, and thanks Elizabeth! I'm always here checking in, but I tend to be behind in my viewing so I don't like to post much until I know what's
going on!
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"You can be angry with someone, but it doesn't give you the right to make such sweeping intimate criticisms, and in such a disrespectful manner. JMO,
but Marina could have made her point much more effectively and really put Natalia to shame had she not approached it with such arrogance."
I couldn't agree more. "Buzz even has the guilty conscience of having hurt Frank himself." Right. Which is why he doesn't throw stones. He knows he has no right. That may be why Marina on the other hand - at least *I* believe - thinks she CAN treat the situation this way. Other than her teenage years, she's never done anything to truly dissapoint her dad and so I think she MAY believe that gives her more allowance. Again, not saying she was exactly in the right (her tactics were off more than anything) but yes, she should have just calmly sat down and just said something to the extent of, "Natalia, could you please watch your step with my dad because he is a great guy who would do anything for anyone and it can be SO easy for anyone to take advantage of that. Considering how much my dad still cares about you, I would appreciate it if you could please be extra mindful NOT to cross that line?" If she would have put it something like that, I would have had no problem with her reaction. |
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Posts: 939 (06/20/09 16:43:55) |
Well, call me crazy, but my feeling is that Frank is a grown man. He doesn't need his little girl looking after him and trying to
protect him. He should be doing that for himself. Yes, we all want to stick up for those we love, but Marina goes too far, sometimes. And, considering the
fact that she's married to a man who has confessed to killing someone, and consideruing the shady tactics she used to keep Henry, she's got a lot of
nerve telling anyone anything, these days. (JMO, of course.)
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Posts: 470 (06/21/09 11:12:25) |
i just thought marina's rant was way out in left field..i just kept shaking my head when i watched this episode..makes me think something is about to
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