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Posts: 4043 (06/13/09 19:41:16) |
He's so confused. LOL! Watching his Mom and Olivia - that has to be extremely confusing to him - I know alotta you here are ok with this storyline but I
gotta tell ya - it's not working for me. I like Nat and Olivia being really good friends - but not romantically. I can hardly stand to watch them. LOL!
I keep telling myself - they are only acting - this isn't real.
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Posts: 88 (06/13/09 22:48:22) |
Yep I don't like it either. I usually Fast Forward on the DVR during those scenes.
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Posts: 102 (06/14/09 05:04:41) |
Yea poor Rafe. Who got Daisy preggers?? It is 2009 get a clue. Besides I watch the scenes to see how far they will try to go with it. I mean come on smoking,
profanity, what is next?
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Posts: 2784 (06/14/09 06:11:45) |
I don't like the story, mainly because I find it unbelievable that these two man hungry women, would suddenly turn lesbian. Natalia should have told Rafe
long ago about what is going on, but of course they need a story where he becomes angry and nasty again.
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Posts: 105 (06/14/09 08:50:06) |
Actually it made sense if you belive in certain ideals. Olivia and Nat both wanted Gus. Gus died convinently and Liv got his heart (hence a piece of him)
Well if you believe love is an emotion of the "Heart" why wouldn't Liv have fallen for Nat? I look at it as more Gus' heart loves Nat and Liv
is just a vehicle for that heart. Liv's personality also changed once she accepted Gus' heart and started to live again. Besides no one ever asks to
love someone, it just happens. I could tell you a few stories but I don't think the board as a whole would want to hear them.(No I'm straight thats not
it)
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Posts: 1 (06/14/09 10:57:26) |
I felt bad really bad for Rafe as well when he saw Natalia and Olivia being affection with each other.
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Posts: 18628 (06/14/09 12:15:49) Board Administrator |
Welcome Sanda!
Well, I am a day behind, so I have not seen the scenes. But I am not sorry for him for that, I know he wants his mom to be happy. I am sorry for him because he is having trouble adjusting etc. It is hard. It is causing him to be mean to mom in some instances. i think it may cause him to lash out in this instance as well and cause problems for this couple. 
It is too bad, I like them and enjoy the new fan base that comes with them, the show needs it! Elizabeth |
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Posts: 2 (06/14/09 17:06:07) |
ElizabethF, I also like the pairing of Natalia and Olivia as well. I agree that Guiding Light needs some positive stuff right now.
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Posts: 8259 (06/14/09 18:32:27) |
Welcome to our board, Sanda Lynn
Glad to see that you too like Charlie and Viki together. They are very much alive together and keeping the meaning of romance in their lives, aren't they, these days! I used to be an undying fan of Viki and Clint too - long time ago that was.
Malar
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Posts: 112 (06/15/09 10:56:25) |
I think they have made Olivia look like a predater!. I like the story and I don't like the story. I have mixed feelings. I would like to see Olivia cheat
on Natalia with a man and then have Natalia turn back to Frank. Or even have her cheat with Doris!!! Now that would be a story!!
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Posts: 936 (06/16/09 08:12:07) |
Actually it made sense if you belive in certain ideals. Olivia and Nat both wanted Gus. Gus died convinently and Liv got his heart (hence a piece of him)
Well if you believe love is an emotion of the "Heart" why wouldn't Liv have fallen for Nat? I look at it as more Gus' heart loves Nat and Liv
is just a vehicle for that heart. Liv's personality also changed once she accepted Gus' heart and started to live again. Besides no one ever asks to
love someone, it just happens.
This makes sense, in a way. Actually, it makes more sense than anything else I've read. 
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Posts: 125 (06/16/09 08:57:28) |
Thanks Bailey Rose.
Poor Rafe my butt. You just got out of jail, you had no job, no money and were living off your mom. Teens like to say they are "grown" but they have no idea. If he's so grown he would look at it like a man, not a baby. And Frank is no help. As a trained social worker, you NEVER put yourself in a families business. Frank is doing just that. By taking Rafe in he is saying your mom is wrong and I take your side. Its ok to be prejudice really I am too. There is no side. We are all free to love who we chose. If Rafe was 5 it might be different, but in alot of ways it seems Emma is more mature than Rafe! I get the stiryline, but I dont get that it is ok to promote prejudice. You may agree you may not its a free country. Basically what Rafe is saying is that is "wrong" and its not its just different. |
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Posts: 18638 (06/16/09 09:30:58) Board Administrator |
I don't see O as a predator, btw. She left and gave them space to talk about it. I just don't hold that same opinion. Welcome to the board Sanda!
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Posts: 113 (06/16/09 10:57:21) |
I don't personally don't see her as a predator but I think that they are making Rafe think of her that way.
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Posts: 2791 (06/16/09 15:14:21) |
It's hard to believe that Rafe would have a hard time with Otilia. After all, he is not religious, got his girlfriend pregnant and been in jail. I would
think most kids his age and with his background would be ok with it. I guess they needed this for a story.
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Posts: 294 (06/16/09 16:23:24) |
"Poor Rafe my butt. You just got out of jail, you had no job, no money and were living off your mom. Teens like to say they are "grown" but they
have no idea. If he's so grown he would look at it like a man, not a baby."
Well I DO feel bad for Rafe. Yes, he DID just get out of jail for a crime that the victim refused to pressed charges over BUT Rafe took responsibility for his actions, went to prison and did his time. Sounds like a person who is mature to me. Taking responsibility for ones actions AND learning from ones mistakes IS an adult quality. Also, he HAS to live with his mom right now. Where else is he going to go considering he *just* got a job (unfortunately with the help of Doris - because it would have been nice for him to have won this victory by himself). The more he works at this job, the more experience he will get and he will be able to earn and save money and get by better on his own by moving up in the world. "And Frank is no help. As a trained social worker, you NEVER put yourself in a families business. Frank is doing just that. By taking Rafe in he is saying your mom is wrong and I take your side." Well that's a matter of opinion but Frank told Rafe months ago something about that no matter what Rafe may hear people say in the future about his mom that his mom is a good woman. This was after Frank found out about Olivia and Natalia (of course, he was still in a bit of denial BUT he was still trying to get the point across to Rafe that he thinks very highly of his mom and that Rafe should too - No matter what). I don't think it looks like Frank is taking sides. I think he understands that Rafe has no where else to really go. Sometimes, you need time to yourself - most importantly - sometimes you need time away from the one(s) who are causing you grief in order to figure out what's going on, how you feel, and "where do I go from here". Frank is just trying to offer him a place to do just that. "Its ok to be prejudice really I am too." I don't believe this is or even promoting prejudice. Rafe was angry and confused. No, he shouldn't have yelled at his mom like that but let's break it down: 1) Natalia go angry and preached against Rafe and Daisy when she realised they had sex. 2) She also preached against Daisy for getting an abortion (something I believe is absolute murder as well BUT I'm NOT going to judge any woman for making such an excrutiation(sp) decision) 3) Natalia, I'm sure, raised Rafe on these beliefs AND rased him in the catholic church that is: a) against, premarital sex b) against abortion c) against homosexuality So with Natalia seemingly - in RAFE'S mind - throwing her beliefs AND every belief she raised HIM on to the wind....Rafe sees her as a hypocrite. He's now questioning, "ok, my mom taught me all this stuff about God and church so do it mean nothing to her now? What am *I* supposed to believe as her son?". He's totally confused and angry. Besides, even once he calms down and if he still decides that he can't support her choice to love Olivia romantically (although I DO agree that we can't help who we love but as I've always believed - we CAN help whether we ACT on that love or not) BUT still loves her as his mother - that would NOT make him prejudiced against her lifestyle. You CAN disagree with how someone live and NOT be prejudiced. I do it every day myself. I do NOT agree with the homosexual lifestyle (simply because I find no evidence in the Bible that God supports the lifestyle). However, I don't care - nor is it my business - how people live their lives. I can gaurauntee you that there are ways *I* live that many others would not agree with. Ok. Live and let live. The only person we all have to answer to is God. |
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Posts: 4 (06/16/09 19:22:12) |
malar2002 wrote: Malar2002, thank you soo much for the welcome. I LOVE Viki and
Charlie. I was a die hard fan of Clint and Viki when Clint Ritchie played the role of Clint Bunchanan. Clint Ritchie will always be Clint Buchanan to me. I
just can't get into Jerry Ver Dorn's version of Clint Bunchanan. I miss Jerry Ver Dorn as Ross Marler on Guiding Light.
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Posts: 18647 (06/16/09 19:32:36) Board Administrator |
I miss Jerry Ver Dorn as Ross Marler on Guiding Light. As do we all!
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Posts: 1742 (06/19/09 14:31:43) |
I'm on the "poor Rafe my butt" bandwagon! Well. actually I do sympathize with him after his conversation with Father Ray (who is now on my nerves
over this whole thing, BTW. LOL). It makes sense to me that he would be confused and looking at Natalia as kind of a hypocrite right now, and that is all fair
enough. However, he has not given her the chance to explain anything. I think he really needs to do that...talk to her about how she can preach one thing and
do another, and what does this mean for the values she taught him. She had a conversation like that with Father Ray that I actually really appreciated because
those are questions that anyone familiar with this character should be asking. If Rafe just jumps to his own conclusions and never lets her speak with him
about this, or if he persists in judging her for it anyway, then it will be "poor Rafe my butt." He is an adult in 2009. He may find it hard to
accept this new change of events with his mother, but the world is never black and white and he might as well suck it up and learn to accept what he cannot
change. Natalia has so far been shown more compassion by strangers than she has by the people closest to her, and that is a sad state of affairs. If you
can't count on your loved ones to make an effort to understand you, you are really alone in the world.
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Posts: 8338 (06/19/09 14:46:30) |
I think it is actually one of those situations where strangers may show a person like Natalia greater kindness than anyone who has been close to her,
especially a child who was brought up by her with strict religious teachings.
For a stranger who has never been inundated with the sights and sounds of Natalia's religiosity, it is very easy to see her simply as a human being and accept her feelings for Olivia and so on, even after Natalia tells the stranger that she has always been a s religious person. If I were Natalia's daughter and brought up with my mother's religious teachings, it will be a while before I can overcome my anger and revulsion at what I will perceive to be her hypocrisy and then actually listen to her talk about how she feels etc. It is the fine edge of a sword one walks on when one leads a religious life and asks other persons, especially one's childten, to live by the same religion. Heaven knows every child wants the parent to be perfect and never make any mistakes, but when a parent has always been religious and tried to inculcate those values in a child, it will be impossibly difficult to accept that parent wanting to live in ways not allowed by that religion. I can well imagine - tolerance and accetance of other people's religious beliefs is something that is fundamental to the religion my parents inculcated in me; therefore, if I ever heard my parents expressing intolerance towards someone else's religious beliefs and want to live according to what such intolerance might make them do, I think I will denounce my parents as hypocrites as well. Thank goodness this has never happened nor ever will, by God's Grace - if it did, I will have to say "Poor Malar!"
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Posts: 1744 (06/19/09 16:33:02) |
That is all very true, Malar. My initial reaction was to be annoyed with Rafe's intolerance, but I can easily see why he would feel that Natalia is being a
hypocrite and was actually very glad when he spoke with Father Ray and said that hypocrisy is the root of the problem for him. I don't want to see him as
someone who simply can't accept his mother's feelings or, even worse, someone who won't try. Part of it is because Rafe has never come across to me
as someone who internalized every word of Natalia's religious teachings, so while I could understand him being angry about her seeming to hold him to a
different standard, it would bother me if he didn't drop it after awhile because he has been far from perfect himself. I can certainly see where it might
be harder than average for Natalia's child to cope with her falling off her pedestal, though, because she was the one who really put herself there. I am
just hoping that they have this conversation rather than leaving Natalia isolated because of her feelings for Olivia. To me, it sends a distinctly disapproving
message and I would feel that to be an irresponsible way for GL to handle this storyline.
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